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Raphael

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The centuries old pilgrimage to the shrine of the 13th-century Jalāl ad-Dīn Moḥamed Balkhī, to the English-speaking world simply known as Mevlānā Rumi was unknown in the western world until Mashhad and Qom in Iran were declared the official sister cities of Santiago de Compostela early this century. For the first time in the history a sufi-moslim was granted the special blessing of a roman catholic bishop before making the Way of St. James. 

On Tuesday 10 April 2007, after Sedat Çakir received the special blessing, the existence of the pendant Sufiwalk of the Camino de Santiago was kept no longer "Secret", as drs. Veyis Güngör made it public.

Güngör: The general public has no idea that a greater collection of old pilgrimage routes which cover all Europe not end in northern Spain. The majority had Rome and Jerusalem as their destination. As all the overland-routes passed to Konya, the first Dutch pilgrim was recorded there in the year 1005.

From its biblical times as Iconium, Konya was not only an important stage on the road to Mecca or Jerusalem, it was a goal on its own. A vast number of sufi's from the east came to Ikonium to visit the shrine of that Great poet and mystic Mevlana Rumi. 

So, we have looked at a number of old Pilgrimtracks to guide with practical advice for walks for each day and looks at the deeper aspects of the Sufipath. Each day involves a walk from 5km up to ca. 25km. But the Sufipath also can make other leaps, as there are boats or public transport. 


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Gerben Joldertsma

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Well, I've done Santiago now 7 times, and I did not like it that much anymore, with all that Matamoros things. So this sounds as a good, not even better!

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Julio de Freitas

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 I agree with the bad reputation of St James as Matamoros. The more when you read all those warnings to christian woman. But that was in the past. A lot of Spanish woman prefer a Moro nowadays, as they believe they are more potent as a Catelan or Galician. To most ladies in Spain the Camino is something for the elder.

Certain the Sufipath is a more spiritual way for the more adventourious.


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Hassan Thani

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Sufipath instead of thet Mauretanianskiller St James
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Julio de Freitas wrote:

 I agree with the bad reputation of St James as Matamoros. The more when you read all those warnings to christian woman. But that was in the past. A lot of Spanish woman prefer a Moro nowadays, as they believe they are more potent as a Catelan or Galician. To most ladies in Spain the Camino is something for the elder.


Certain the Sufipath is a more spiritual way for the more adventourious.

What kind of christianity is this? That St James of Santiago is just a rascist Saint with stupid catholics praying and burning candles before immages of him trampling Muslims to death. Uggg



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Asker

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What kind of Saint is this Moroccankiller?
I think that people on the way to his mezar are not spiritual at all, but silly gooses.

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John Black

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Funny, but that Sufipath was not so secret as is suggested. Any serious scholar of Sufism knows about it. There is even a (French) map published in 1934 with the in that time forbidden Sufipath between Edirne and Konya on it. 

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Geert

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Julio de Freitas wrote:

 I agree with the bad reputation of St James as Matamoros. The more when you read all those warnings to christian woman. But that was in the past. A lot of Spanish woman prefer a Moro nowadays, as they believe they are more potent as a Catelan or Galician. To most ladies in Spain the Camino is something for the elder.


Certain the Sufipath is a more spiritual way for the more adventourious.

 


Come on, I think in those old times the Sultans of the Ottomans was as harsh as the King of Spain. And as there are a lot of young girls going down the Camino, there always will be Spanish boys to tell them they fall in love by just seing those damsels walk.



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Willemijn Withuis

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Come on, in the Middleages the Dutch Count Dirk III of Holland did what you call Sufipath! From Haarlem in the Netherlands to Palestine. He was even in Konya BEFORE Mevlana arrived. 

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Van Sufipath to the shrine of the whirling derwish Mevlana Rumi


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Raphael

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Okay, what has been in the past is not neat. But only racist Catholics are venerating Saint James of Compostela as The Matamoros. And in the Cathedral of Compostela his Matamoros-statue in now a sidechapel, almost in the dark

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Aabid

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Assalaamu aleykum

As some kind of pilgrimage I was planning to walk this Sufipath-journey all the way down to Konya.
All kind of info for on the road is welcome. Do the old Mevlevihane here and there still exist ? Is there possibility to sleep in mosques or serails.

It's a long term project and I'm sure it won't be for this year, but anyhow, planning takes time and I want to do that thorougly.

Thanks in advance for all info given

Shukran

Aabid

aabid_be@yahoo.co.uk

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Raphael

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Aabid wrote:

Assalaamu aleykum

As some kind of pilgrimage I was planning to walk this Sufipath-journey all the way down to Konya.
All kind of info for on the road is welcome. Do the old Mevlevihane here and there still exist ? Is there possibility to sleep in mosques or serails.

It's a long term project and I'm sure it won't be for this year, but anyhow, planning takes time and I want to do that thorougly.

Thanks in advance for all info given

Shukran

Aabid

aabid_be@yahoo.co.uk

 Abid, ever seen the site:

www.mevlana800.info



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Koichiro Matsura

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Similarities of the Sufipath with the Camino de Santiago are obvious. But it is hardly realised that low-cost, independent international travel had its origin in faith. That there was something going on around the tombs of important saints. The big one in Roman Catholic Europe was the hiking-trail to the relics of Saint James in Spain, the Ottoman Empire had its equal in Sufisaint Mevlana Rumi.

Both cults had their setback. The so called reformation made the now 1000 year old European pilgrimage to Santiago de Compostella impossible from Protestant countries. And what is today worlds most visited sufi-shrine was closed all together in 1924. And nihilized with a ban on all Sufi-orders.



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Salvatore

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Koichiro Matsura wrote:

Similarities of the Sufipath with the Camino de Santiago are obvious. But it is hardly realised that low-cost, independent international travel had its origin in faith. That there was something going on around the tombs of important saints. The big one in Roman Catholic Europe was the hiking-trail to the relics of Saint James in Spain, the Ottoman Empire had its equal in Sufisaint Mevlana Rumi.

Both cults had their setback. The so called reformation made the now 1000 year old European pilgrimage to Santiago de Compostella impossible from Protestant countries. And what is today worlds most visited sufi-shrine was closed all together in 1924. And nihilized with a ban on all Sufi-orders.

 Hi Koichiro, although Ataturk tried to ens sufism in Turkey, he did not succeed, and interest is blooming like it never did before. Okay, in Turkey the Whirling Derwishes is official a folkloristic balletgroup nowadays, but there are still orders that operate underground and secret. Like the Wandering Derwishes (known as tje people of the Sufipathh or Tentmaker Order. Walking is their Dihikr, and they have seven Sufipaths to go on. It is believed that you be a sufi at the end of it. Check it out, bro!



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